Once valued citizens now a national liabilty?

[terminator]

What does this current government think? about how they arrived at their situation today? by the efforts of all of those working citizens over the years paying their taxes and NI contributions.

This country will destroy itself because of all the handouts and liberal attitudes in society,pointless wars in remote regions of the world that are no direct threat to this country.Always remember the tabloid press and the TV news,only a portrayal of events not actually the truth?

How do I explain to my elderly parents that their home will be taken when they die to pay for the maladministration of this and previous governments.
How do I explain to my elderly parents that all of their belief and hard work for this country,with no claims and I mean no claims on social benefit means nothing to this current or recent administration.

I am of the opinion the the next initiative is euthanasia at a pre- determined age? so as not to burden the maladministration state of the day?

Last but not least, this generation must accept that you cannot keep taking,taking because one day there will be nothing left for anybody.

[grannyclaret]

Exactly ,,i couldent agree more Terminator,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[James1234]

Originally Posted by terminator

Last but not least, this generation must accept that you cannot keep taking,taking because one day there will be nothing left for anybody.

The trouble with this generation (and I'm 28yrs old myself) is they appear to think society owns then a living when obviously they aren't entitled to such a 'luxary', have no self respect or indeed respect for anyone else.

I go to work like most other folk, you have to prove you're worth in this world no one gives you nowt for free(unless you know how to work the benifits system).


Anyway given the choice, of which I have, I'd rather go to work earn my wages and retain my self respect, rather then sign on(unless needs must) or indeed to try to claim any other benifit 'availible', filling out benifits forms not my cup of tea and a pain in the rear.

To stuggle to get by on a 'tuppence' for the sake of not wanting to go to work for no good reason, folk like that must be crackers in my opinion.

[Mercury]

Originally Posted by James1234

The trouble with this generation (and I'm 28yrs old myself) is they appear to think society owns then a living when obviously they aren't entitled to such a 'luxary', have no self respect or indeed respect for anyone else.

True, there are quite a few people who think society owe them a living.

Originally Posted by James1234

To stuggle to get by on a 'tuppence' for the sake of not wanting to go to work for no good reason, folk like that must be crackers in my opinion.

More like lazy b**t**ds!

[garabaldi]

Interesting that England used to be a country centuries ago when it didn't give a damn about any of it's inhabitants apart from the stinking rich and kids could work as chimney sweeps and donkeys could go down coal mines and minor thiefs could be sent to Australia and now it is still a country that doesn't give a damn about its original inhabitants but welcomes all newcomers with open arms and cheque books - maybe it's a cyclic thing like the weather?

[cheeky monkey]

Originally Posted by garabaldi

Interesting that England used to be a country centuries ago when it didn't give a damn about any of it's inhabitants apart from the stinking rich and kids could work as chimney sweeps and donkeys could go down coal mines and minor thiefs could be sent to Australia and now it is still a country that doesn't give a damn about its original inhabitants but welcomes all newcomers with open arms and cheque books - maybe it's a cyclic thing like the weather?

The bit that makes me (for want of a better word) laugh is that they do it in front of us, lay out the welcome mat with a pile of goodies at the other end of it, Then turn round and deny it,
While our own pensioners sit in their houses to scared to put the fire on to keep warm and freeze to death, I want to scream at times with the frustration about this and many other things, I would like the figures of how many Asians or asylum seekers have frozen to death over the years a rough guess would be none

[garabaldi]

I read with interest that droves of Poles (no rhythm intended) are returning to Poland because they feel they have a better life there now? They have learned good English and had plenty of job experiences ( great assets for getting jobs back home apparently).

Incidentally the IPPR have stated that England was the only large EU economy that kept its doors open to new entrants and took in one million workers (didn't say whether that included the families as well) and this was the largest influx in 300 years; but now half of these workers are going home - hurrah!

No doubt you will now start seeing less Polish products in your local supermarkets, and the Polish newspapers will disappear (and just when you little Miss Britain had started learning and practicing your Polish) - what a shame.

and guess what guys the Polish govt which is encouraging this reversed mass migration is now - wait for it 'offering cheap loans to returning workers and a tax amnesty' where have you heard that one before?

but the worst is yet to come Brits - and I quote " The departure of Poles means many British employers are turning to Bulgarians and Romanians, who tend to have worst language and technical skills but are cheaper workers"

Doesn't the average British citizen want to work anymore these days?

Ah well there must be lessons to be learnt about this experience - now let's see hmmm?

If you can't keep your own house clean and tidy someone else will come and do it for you and charge you! - that's one for starters

:Questio nMark::Q uestionMark:

[James1234]

Originally Posted by Mercury

More like lazy b**t**ds!

Aye too right! Thats what discribes them for exactly what they are, sadly, they never seem to learn, much to everyone else's considerable expence!!

[Lordmagic]

Originally Posted by garabaldi

I read with interest that droves of Poles (no rhythm intended) are returning to Poland because they feel they have a better life there now? They have learned good English and had plenty of job experiences ( great assets for getting jobs back home apparently).

Incidentally the IPPR have stated that England was the only large EU economy that kept its doors open to new entrants and took in one million workers (didn't say whether that included the families as well) and this was the largest influx in 300 years; but now half of these workers are going home - hurrah!

No doubt you will now start seeing less Polish products in your local supermarkets, and the Polish newspapers will disappear (and just when you little Miss Britain had started learning and practicing your Polish) - what a shame.

and guess what guys the Polish govt which is encouraging this reversed mass migration is now - wait for it 'offering cheap loans to returning workers and a tax amnesty' where have you heard that one before?

but the worst is yet to come Brits - and I quote " The departure of Poles means many British employers are turning to Bulgarians and Romanians, who tend to have worst language and technical skills but are cheaper workers"

Doesn't the average British citizen want to work anymore these days?

Ah well there must be lessons to be learnt about this experience - now let's see hmmm?

If you can't keep your own house clean and tidy someone else will come and do it for you and charge you! - that's one for starters

:Questio nMark::Q uestionMark:

Good points and with aying that the average native British person screamed about this happening to our society years ago.

It's all to do with back door politics and economic global changes, not to mention the poor lack of dedication within our bennefits system but unfortunately that is what made Britain GREAT.

Migrants have been seeking a life here in reasonable quantaties for as long as man arrived here. Take for example...... The romans, Saxons, Normans, Germanic tribes, Norse and scandinaivian tribes etc intending to set up settlements, all have which left there mark on our country and gave us the wealth of history that we have today, 'our heritage' most of which has been plundered or destroyed by our very own society, especially in the victorian era mainly due to a lack of understanding in itss origins which brings another wave of migrant workers in the 18 to 19th century, Asian Indian.

Moving on to our own and past generations especially the last ten years, our strength as a country is surely diminishing based on the fears and concerns of the native electoriate, immigrants are seen as votes to the seated power, if you treat them good they will surely vote for the power which granted them a new life which would never have been possable to achieve in thier homelands thats the basis of it.

Econoics and EU conformity also allows this to happen because it can. Regarding the Polish returning back home, this is true, alot of UK and global bluechip companies have set up within eastern europe due to its cheap labour and running costs but unfortunately the majority of Poles migrated into other western european countries where their own wealth could be improved considerably, this in turn created a shortfall of labour in Poland alone where factories are having to use their own transport to bring in labour each day, some have had to reach out up to 100 miles radius to cater for its labour requirements.

The same is happening in china now as it has with the UK over the last 5 years, Poles are now returning like other migrant workers are due to their own countries economics becoming stronger and sustainable its a wicked circle really.

Over the next 1 to 2 years a minimum of 3 million immigrants will return to their homelands from the UK which will be a good thing for our own economics. However it goes deeper than this as we already know to our own township problems over the recent years.

It's a case of 'I'm alright jack', our society needs to learn, or more to the point needs to be used as an example, not to be lazy or greedy and that's a hard thing to ask these days!

Personal wealth should be kept as personal, I have always said that the current bennefits system is a sham and that a better way of reflecting of those that deserve help shall aquire it in the form of a tax credit points system (hope Gordy Brown reads this :))..........

Personal taxation subscriptions paid in to the pot are exchanged for points or credits against your identity, if at a time you require help then you would bennefit by recieving the same weekly payment as you did when employed, if by chance you fall short of points/credits this would be reflected within your bennefit until the points/credits are used. Most intrestingly if you can't be bothered to find work then you don't qualify for bennefits. Those that are unfortunate enough not being able to work will recieved payments to cater for their needs. I believe that this would be a fairer system and improve our society as a whole.......... Any thoughts?

It's a disgrace that our pensioners are treated like second rate citizens in a so called first rate country, however the government sees pensioners as a non-entity whom cannot be profitable to todays greed unless their own wealth is used as a central pot....... Shame on the chancellor.

It's a vicious cycle that simply gets nastier each year!

P.S. sorry for the length of this post allbeit all noteworthy to some statements that has been said here.

[garabaldi]

just been reading the latest figures of emigration and immigration from the ONS for 2006, they are alway a year or two behind!

the immigration each year seems to be slightly ahead of emigration 400 000 out 591 000 in. Most favoured countries Australia and NewZealand, now they must be doing something right it isn't surely only the good weather. maybe there are lessons to be learnt from other countries - but will Britain take note - doubt it they've always been a bit obstinate!

[Sweetpea]

We, the indigenous people of Britain, don't matter any more. Immigration has killed us and this will be an Islamic state before very much longer.

We don't exist!

[cheeky monkey]