Return A&E to Burnley

[cheeky monkey]

Am I being thick again Darren? you quote me saying that you can still get treatment at Burnley A&E.
You state that this is untrue in your first sentance, Then in your next you say people can get treatment at Burnley but have to go to Blackburn for follow ups.
We rely on elected politicians for the truth so could we have it please?
If I cut my leg open could I go to Burnley General and get it stitched up?
If I broke my leg could I get it put in a cast at Burnley?
To make it easier for the likes of me could we have either Yes or No answers please.
I do not see the point of using fear and not telling the whole story for political point scoring.
Truth be known the closures played right into your hands, It gave Gordon a crusade with max publicity and a chance to parade around town banging on about how he will save it.
Kitty Usher is our MP and she could'nt save it.
In a perfect town yes we would have full medical facilities, We would have weekly bin collections, We would be able to travel through any part of town without fear of attack because of the colour of our skin, We would still have Gannow baths instead of it being sold off cheap and then knocked down to make way for 40 houses and the playing field being fenced off. We would still have hundreds of terraced houses that have done so much to get the young people of this town onto the property ladder instead of flimsy newbuild that our children ca'nt afford.
Get on with these problems and get out with your placards about them, Or are they not vote winners?

[cheeky monkey]

Yes I do know that our Councillors are very poorly paid, Some worse than others, I have spoken to "my friends" from the BNP and they informed me that whilst they are on the lowest allowance it seems a lot of others are on a lot more, For instance the Executive, Which as far as I can make out is made up of LibDem councillors and enjoys a bit of "Jobs for the boys" culture, Even going as far as making up a job description for one of them, What is a "Yob Czar"? How many yobs has he had arrested? This is a pathetic publicity stunt throwing in a generous allowance.
Then we have the commities, All chaired by anybody other than a BNP councillor, More generous allowances.
But my friends also informed me that they are not there for the money, even though they admit the £5 a week rise they got helps they would gladly work for nothing if they could help people. Their allowances add up to less than Gordons last payrise, That is commitment.
I was at that council meeting when the budget was decided, I wish the rest of Burnley could have seen the greed in the eyes of the councillors who gained the most that night.

[Darren Reynolds]

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

Am I being thick again Darren? you quote me saying that you can still get treatment at Burnley A&E.
You state that this is untrue in your first sentance, Then in your next you say people can get treatment at Burnley but have to go to Blackburn for follow ups.
We rely on elected politicians for the truth so could we have it please?
If I cut my leg open could I go to Burnley General and get it stitched up?
If I broke my leg could I get it put in a cast at Burnley?
To make it easier for the likes of me could we have either Yes or No answers please.

As far as I am aware, yes and yes. However, as neither condition is normally life-threatening, neither is an emergency. Emergencies - such as say, a serious trauma caused by a road traffic accident - are handled at Blackburn only. There is, as I said before, categorically no emergency facility at Burnley. That is why the word "emergency" has been taken out of the department's title. I'm sorry that my explanation seems unclear to you.

It may help to bear in mind that emergency ambulances never take patients to Burnley for this reason. The Burnley BNP themselves admit, "Victims of a recent accident would recognise the benefit of a nearby A&E."

[Darren Reynolds]

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

For instance the Executive, Which as far as I can make out is made up of LibDem councillors

Yes, that's how democracy normally works. The party that gets the most votes runs the administration.

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

and enjoys a bit of "Jobs for the boys" culture, Even going as far as making up a job description for one of them, What is a "Yob Czar"?

I don't know - that title was made up by the Lancashire Telegraph. I do think having job descriptions is a good idea though, and generally accepted practice amongst employers. My proposal was that the post-holder should adopt the title of "Executive Member for Positive Behaviours", which just goes to show how much I know about job titles.

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

This is a pathetic publicity stunt throwing in a generous allowance.

Well, not really. The public is fed up of anti-social behaviour, including rubbish being dumped in back yards and drunken behaviour on our streets, particularly from a minority of our town's youth. We promised to do something about it during the last election campaign, and appointed a new member of the Executive with the express purpose of tackling the problem.

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

Then we have the commities, All chaired by anybody other than a BNP councillor, More generous allowances.

On Burnley Council there are 23 Lib Dem councillors and 4 BNP councillors, three of which are from one ward and one of which hasn't really got the hang of conduct in meetings. This is why the BNP do not chair the committees. Basically, they didn't get enough votes.

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

they would gladly work for nothing if they could help people.

I couldn't do that in my current circumstances as I'm self-employed and have a family to look after. Time spent on Council business is time not earning a living. But, if as you say the BNP councillors would gladly work for nothing if they could help people, why not suggest to them that they give up their allowances?

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

I was at that council meeting when the budget was decided, I wish the rest of Burnley could have seen the greed in the eyes of the councillors who gained the most that night.

As I said at the meeting, attracting the best talent to stand for election requires ensuring that people are not disadvantaged financially. Burnley councillors are still paid well below average. Anyone who thinks the new administration isn't improving Burnley knows what to do at the next election, and I humbly submit that things are visibly improving.

[cheeky monkey]

Hi thanks for the answers although it would appear yours and my idea of an emergency differ somwhat, I am 100% behind anything that gives the Burnley public the services they deserve and I think they should be made aware that there is still a service at Burnley, Perish the thought that a parent who suspected that their child was suffering from say Meningitis should think they had to take the child to Blackburn, Wasting precious time when treatment is available in Burnley, Just because a political party wanted to score points by not telling the full story on their leaflets, Do you think that parent would then say "well at least they have given us a few roadsweepers"?

The "Yob czar" He has had the title (wanted or not) for over 2 mths, Any chance of him coming on here to let us know what he has done? after drawing 2 mths allowence, I must just point out that I have family who live on Gannow lane, The area is disgusting and this is his ward, Back yards overflowing with rubbish, Lead being stolen from roofs almost nightly, gangs of youths hanging around, If he ca'nt sort out his own ward how will he sort out the whole town? Also he has the invisable Justin Birtwistle to help him, The only regular sight in the ward is the BNP councillor.

In the 10 wards the BNP contested in may they averaged 22.8% of the vote coming second in 7 wards and retaing 1, Is that not any kind of message to you? Apart from the fact they should take a leaf from the big 3 and put more spin on their leaflets. The LibDems and Labour even use "searchlight" against them to scare voters with lie after lie yet they still recieved a lot of public support.

The BNP councillors do draw their £50-60 per week, most of it going on fuel, phone bills, or clean ups that nobody else will do, so they never see any cash to spend. unlike the others who see their vastly higher allowences as a part of their salery, In fact meaning that they are working for nothing,

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FULL emergency services will not be restored at Burnley General Hospital.

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[cheeky monkey]

Well there we have it, some woman on god knows how much a year telling us how lucky we are losing our services, Just 1 thing missing but I suspect we will be treated to his words of wisdom very soon is a statement from Gordon Birtwistle.
But as he has used that 1 once he will be looking for his next crusade.
While the BNP are looking at ways to make life easier for people to get to Blackburn and back, To stop them being ripped off by Taxi firms who have been doing very well out of this situation. they will be getting on with reality, not chasing self publicity.

[katex]

Sorry, cannot sign this petition Neal .. think what has been done is for the best.

Still 24/7 treatment available at Burnley at the urgent care resources for minor injuries, and emergency treatment/999 improved through better ambulance facilities/ paramedics, helicopters, etc., to Blackburn Royal. To me, the travelling is within the perimeters of most emergencies, and of no threat to life-saving.

[Darren Reynolds]

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

The "Yob czar" He has had the title (wanted or not) for over 2 mths, Any chance of him coming on here to let us know what he has done?

I'm afraid you'll have to ask him. Alternatively, why not put in a request to speak at the next Full Council meeting and ask him yourself, publicly, with the press present?

Best
Darren

[Darren Reynolds]

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

Perish the thought that a parent who suspected that their child was suffering from say Meningitis should think they had to take the child to Blackburn, Wasting precious time when treatment is available in Burnley

I have no idea where a child with suspected meningitis should be taken and this is a significant part of the problem, but I would dial 999. When I placed a call myself to NHS Direct recently, a nurse at the other end of the call had no idea (not in relation to meningitis) whether to send my child to Blackburn, Burnley General or the St Peter's Centre. If staff don't know, what chance have the public? This problem at least does appear to be improving, but too slowly.

The Burnley Express reported before the changes that a child with suspected meningitis should go to the emergency department (i.e. Blackburn) and I do know that a child taken by ambulance in these circumstances would go only to Blackburn.

"A baby with a rash who is otherwise well would be treated at an urgent care centre, but a baby with severe and systemic problems such as symptoms of meningitis would go to the emergency department for emergency admission."

A&E Change Will 'Improve Quality Of Care' Says Trust - Burnley Express

So, your suggestion that such a parent take their child to Burnley appears to be the one causing extra risk to the child. If things have changed then I apologise. I am not a medic. Anyone in this position should ring 999 and follow instructions.

Today we received further information from a senior employee of the Hospitals Trust which is utterly devastating. Local media will be reporting some of what has been disclosed over the next couple of weeks. A large majority of consultants at the Trust say the service has deteriorated since the changes were implemented.

Nobody is claiming that every experience of Blackburn is poor. Many patients receive excellent treatment and it is to the credit of the healthcare professionals that they are able to deliver such service in very difficult circumstances. However, so many people have friends or family who have received poor treatment in Blackburn that Burnley people know the truth themselves and don't need politicians to put ideas in their minds.

Originally Posted by cheeky monkey

The BNP councillors do draw their £50-60 per week, most of it going on fuel, phone bills, or clean ups that nobody else will do, so they never see any cash to spend. unlike the others who see their vastly higher allowences as a part of their salery, In fact meaning that they are working for nothing,

I'm not entirely sure why my £50-60 a week is a salary but a BNP councillor's £50-60 a week is working for nothing, but I guess such criticism is something to take on the chin.

Best
Darren

[cheeky monkey]

So you dont make up any extra money from the council at all? I find that hard to believe, you are on no commitees?,No chairs? No fancy titles?

[cheeky monkey]

I find it hard to understand that you have no idea of the treatment available at Burnley General when you used the situation to such good effect in your election leaflets, with the help of the faithful Burnley Express.
How can you even table proposals if you do not know what you are proposing against.
Me thinks this is all a big show to help get Gordon elected to parliment, As a man of the people when in reality nothing could be further from the truth, John Rowe is one of the people and he has been persecuted by the Council and the LibDem puppet.
A small man who dared to say no.